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Old 11-08-2010, 03:38 PM
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First off this is my first post. I am extremely grateful to anyone who can lend an experienced hand. Donít know if anyone that reads this can relate but I cannot make up my mind on which truck to buy and Iím going crazy! Its important because theres such a huge difference in price and its my work horse, daily driver and my livelihood!! Heres the deal.

I own a new design and development construction company that specializes in finish millwork. I do tow sometimes not everyday but constantly have a payload full of tools, materials such as plywood sheets, drywall etc. My 2007 2wd "dual limited slip" hemi quad cab w/ 3:73 gears has been through hell and back off roading, to la and vegas and back too many times and has never let me down. I am loyal to rams this is my 2nd one (had a 4.7 before this.) Why am i trying to buy a new one? Every time i go to the lumber yard to pick up material and i load up 4x8 sheets of ply the truck squats so low it hits the bump stops on the axle on the freeway and city streets and doesn't feel safe. I really want 4wd because there has been a few times i couldnít go snowboarding they wouldnít let anyone up without 4wd. I also am limited how far i can go off roading. recently i rented a 2 ton flatbed trailer to haul a big load of hardwood and i could not drive it because the trailer hitch was scrapping the ground it was 1" off the asphalt. I took my hitch arm and the ball and mounted them upside down to give me more clearance and while it cleared it was very scary to tow to say the least. the load was probably 7-8 thousand pounds inc trailer. I almost lost control of my truck from trailer sway when someone cut me off. And yes the trialer had brakes and were hooked up. There was no acceleration and braking was just scary. my mpg suck i average 14. 1/2 city 1/2 highway. theres been a lot of times through different scenarios that i felt overloaded, unsafe, and frustrated. if my truck was 4wd i might consider keeping it and just adding a 6" lift and airbags but i would not be sure it could do the tasks still that i run into sometimes.

After the last incident while towing that huge load i said screw it and went to go buy a new 2010 cummins. the finance rate was 3.9 and it put my payments very high (into $750 realm) for an st w/ 0 down. Little much for a base crew cab. I asked the dealer about the 1500 and he said he could discount the a new 2010 1500 from 36k to 29000 and give me 0% or 1.9% for 72m and i could lower my current truck payment by $120. then he said they could even lift it and throw on 37s for 4k and i would still be lower then i am now. i never drove or worked out of a 1/2 ton with a lift or towed with one. I have no idea what to do. there are so much available discount off a 1500 hemi. basically the diesel is going to run me 200 more a month then a new 1500. 250 more if i donít have the dealer lift or modify the ram. I dont think I would ever have a capacity issue with a 250 though. BTW they donít have any new 1500 2010's with a 3:92 in 200+ miles from me so i figure ill get 4:10's? from a shop. they all have 3:55ís and i hear stock you get better mpg with 3:92 then 3:55 and towing/ payload with 3:55 sucks. I am also worried about the issues with the dpf on the 6.7l if i got one. I hear a dpf delete and a tune does the trick but the your SOL if you nees warranty work done. I could find an older 5.9 2500 2007 but used car rates suck at 6.9 i could buy a new 1500 for the same payment as a used 2007 cummins. This is going to be the truck I keep for 250k miles for the next 8-10 years maybe longer. I am not a millionaire yet so I have to be very cautious of how much i spend or else Id have a 2011 cummins lariat with a 8" lift and some Weld bead lock rims. I am so lost I donít know what to do and was hoping some of you dudes have a new 1500 that you work out of and tow with to give me some insight.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:44 PM
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You need a 2500 regardless of which engine you decide to go with. Have you checked into a 2500 with the Hemi engine? You should be able to get one with 3.73, 4.10, or 4.56 gears. The increased HP of the newer Hemi should put you close to 400 in stock trim so towing and hauling heavy loads should be a breeze.
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Welcome to the Z. Lot of questions there. After reading everything you posted here's my view.

You need a truck that will do the job RIGHT, not just get by. In my mind that means a 2500 Cummins with 3.92 gears. The 1500 just isn't designed for what you are doing. It can do it, but for how long? I don't know anything about the DPF on the Cummins so I'll leave that for others to address.

The 2500 is available with the Hemi, but it won't have the torque the Cummins does and that is what you need for hauling and towing.

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I have a 2010 1500 and I have yet to tow anything besides a sports car. So obviously we aren't talking a lot of weight. However, I have had multiple payloads in my bed. Most recent was 1200lbs of quickrete and some vinyl fencing. It handled it with ease. For what you want, I'd go with a 2500 with a hemi. If gas wasn't an issue, I'd snag a power wagon!
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Completely agree with Randy, look at the 3/4 ton's with a Hemi, it will also save you money on the PM work, which can get costly on a diesel. You never know, there may be a couple 2010's local that are markdown to move. Good luck, and glad to have ya aboard!
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thats a hard decision but if your going to be towing alot of heavy loads and stuff i would go for the diesel and you said you own a company so wouldnt this be a tax write off for you at the end of the year??????? id go for the cummins
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thanks for the advice. the only thing that scares me about the hemi in the 2500 is mpg and ability. I dont tow heavy loads often but i do tow sometimes. My main concern is payload and or ability to tow safely when i do. You guys dont think a 1500 with air bags and a lift would work? I was thinking the 2500 because of the cummins in it thats all. My truck with a heavy trailer is gutless. I could not get it above 50 mph on a slight grade last time i towed that 7-8k load. i have 3:73 gears so maybe if i had 3:92s or 4:10 it wouldnt have hurt. ive never driven the 2500 with a hemi they dont sell them out here in vegas there all cummins all 4x4
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heres what i look like almost every day back and forth from job to shop etc.

oh and yes platinum it is a write off on the taxes only i believe unless there is some special obama program, and i could use it since this is my first year in biz i need all the help i can get.

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Okay, I have read all the posts and your original. The 2500 with the HEMI does not have MDS which runs on 4 cylinders when it can in order to save fuel. With all that you need this truck to do, it sure sounds to me like you need the 2500 in a cummins. Just my 2 cents.
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The 1500 comes with P (passenger) rated tires, so you'd have to change those. About $200 or more per. The axles are rated at 1/2ton vs 3/4 ton. Suspension would need beefing up like the air bags you mentioned. Plus other mods to make it do the work you need it to do.

The 2500 with the Cummins gives decent mpg and whole lot of power. No mods needed in order to do the work you need it to do for you.

I'm a person that buys vehicles based on my needs and if it happens to meet my wants, that's an extra benefit.
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