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Old 04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
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So there are lots of numbers to know when buying a truck and trailer. I have recently purchased a truck and camping trailer I knew all these numbers but got a little suspicious once seeing the numbers the competition is posting vs the ones on our trucks. Hopefully you all know what these numbers stand for if not google them and it will make a lot more sense. So on RV.net I have seen lots of posts (mainly f150 guys) touting there large payload numbers and it got me thinking. Yes some of them have the larger axle but some do not.

So I have a 2012 Ram 1500 QC Outdoorsman 4x4 with the hemi. I have a gvwr of 6700lbs and both front and rear gawr is 3900lbs. My payload is 1165lbs. Sounds really lame I know but just keep reading and it may make you think differently. So the information I'm posting about other trucks is stuff I've come across and cannot say its 100% true but its what these guys are saying about there own trucks and not others.

Now we all know that Ram has lower payload numbers and it got me thinking why is it so low is our trucks really that much worse. So here goes a little comparison vs a regular 2011 f150 hopefully you can follow.

My truck:
GFAWR=3900
GRAWR=3900
7800lbs
but our actual gvwr is 6700 or 6800 for you guys with crew cabs.

Now lets look at Fords for example. Now this isn't a max payload were they basically throw in a 7 bolt axle its a regular 6 bolt one

<http://www.***************/forums/2009-2013-f-150/437851-2011-owners-please-report-payloads.html>

2011 F150 XLT screw
4X4
5.0
5.5 box
3:55 limited slip
7200# GVWR package
Trailer tow package--not MaxTow
18" wheels
GAWR front 3750
GAWR rear 3850
GVWR 7200
Payload 1438

So his payload is nearly 300lbs more than mine but look at the axle ratings. They are both LOWER. Our trucks have approx 1100lbs loss and the normal f150 has 400lb loss. weird right? If my truck has the same 400lb loss from axle ratings I would have a 7400gvwr and a payload of 1865 lbs . I am a member on this sight as well as rv.net and both are great sights and full of people who just want to help and are willing to dedicate there time to your/our questions. But this one has me thinking. What in our trucks makes them have so much more of a safety factor. Is it bc the coils are that soft or is there something else. Does Ram/Dodge just value the well being of the customer and just wants to keep them safe. What ever it is just think about this the next time you overload your truck by 100lbs. As My truck sits it will take 1700lbs to overload the rear axle and that makes me feel good.

Sorry about this going on forever but i've done a lot of reading since getting my camping trailer which is 6500lbs dry and 29.5' long and I feel very comfortable towing it with my RAM 1500.

What do you all think about these numbers? I'm not trying to be a hater against ford and can easily post the same against Chevy. Did this dawn across anyone else who pulls a trailer and thinks about these numbers?

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Old 04-29-2013, 06:33 PM
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Since none of the manufacturers are using the same rating method it is really all just talk at this point. For me I will most likely never approach the max payload or towing of the Hemi 1500 so I don't worry about it. However I think if Iw as towing "big" loads on a regular basis I would opt for a 2500 or 3500 since this is why they exist. Thank you for the information, I applaud people who use thier brain rather than just take everything for face value.
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Also you can look much deeper into Rams Lineup and post on RV.net got me thinking a Ram 3500 Megacab had a payload of something around 2600lbs and they didn't like this as they wanted close to 5000lbs which has come the norm for Chevy and Ford. But the GRAWR was 9300lbs alone and the GVWR was 10,500 according to the post. I just feel like Ram is shooting themselves in the foot and if people looked at it this way they may feel different either bashing us ram guys or realizing that there truck isn't as capable as they thought.
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Since none of the manufacturers are using the same rating method it is really all just talk at this point. For me I will most likely never approach the max payload or towing of the Hemi 1500 so I don't worry about it. However I think if Iw as towing "big" loads on a regular basis I would opt for a 2500 or 3500 since this is why they exist. Thank you for the information, I applaud people who use thier brain rather than just take everything for face value.
Please correct me if i am wrong but there is no rating in payload it is what it is, it comes down to the properties and strength of the materials. Towing is where the Rating Method comes in. And as much I hate foreign manufactures my hat is off to Toyota for being the only one to step up to the plate when it comes to that. But yes I see what your talking about. I just never saw anyone compare info like this and thought some may find it interesting!
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Please correct me if i am wrong but there is no rating in payload it is what it is, it comes down to the properties and strength of the materials. Towing is where the Rating Method comes in. And as much I hate foreign manufactures my hat is off to Toyota for being the only one to step up to the plate when it comes to that. But yes I see what your talking about. I just never saw anyone compare info like this and thought some may find it interesting!

You are correct. In fact even the payload is still just a number as I have personally seen trucks way overloaded and they still performed fine and went on to lead long lives. It is a safety factor, engineering factor, and the all important "lawyer" factor.

The internet has really upped the arguments on this type of thing, it is bench racing at its finest. Not sure 20 years ago there was near as much talk about towing and payload. Unless I towed the max every day I personally would have many criteria more important in my purchase decision. Choose the truck model from the manufacturer of your choice that meets your needs. Two urban cowboys with the mine is bigger than yours, that is where the discussion becomes obnoxious.
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Well I just realized I completely contradicted myself. Payload is obviously a rating method as you described and not just based on max weight ratings of axle componets as the difference between the f150 and our trucks. To show another example and I know its not a full size truck but its what I have available and know to be factual information

My work truck
2006 GMC caynon

GFAWR=2753
GRAWR=2896
=5649
GVWR=5150 so a difference of 500lbs, which is very close to the f150 above.

My payload rating is 1403lbs. YES 250lbs more than my full size hemi powered ram 1500.

So this just makes me wonder even more what the weak link is, or is it just the fact that they use a much larger safety factor than the competition.

Many try to go by there max tires, which this is not a very good method is my eyes as my truck came stock with E range tires rated at 3200lbs which give you a total of 12,800 which is as much if not over most dually trucks.
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It's just numbers. I now have almost 190,000 miles on my 05 QC 1500. I've towed loads that were probably way over the rating and carried hellacious loads in the bed. How about a cord of green firewood in the bed? Probably over 4,000 lbs and hauled out of the worst woods roads all winter long. Rams are tough! I'd put my Ram up against my brother's 04 F 350 diesel any day of the week, any job, Ram will out haul it. Oh, and look better doing it!! Also tow a 32' fifth wheel travel trailer with ease.
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i still believe that coil springs vs leaf springs makes a difference
the Ram chart shows a difference when it comes to payload & tow capacity when it comes to wheel size, differentials, cab size, & bed length

i believe this is where you can see it
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I keep seeing people post about the "low" payload of the rams. I just don't get it. My ram has a payload of over 1,600 lb IIRC when I looked. How is that "low" It's a half ton truck (half ton = 1,000 lb, FYI )
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I keep seeing people post about the "low" payload of the rams. I just don't get it. My ram has a payload of over 1,600 lb IIRC when I looked. How is that "low" It's a half ton truck (half ton = 1,000 lb, FYI )
I understand what your saying but if you bought a one ton truck to tow a fifth wheel with then guess what....your not legally going to be able to with that attitude. Trucks have gotten bigger and better every year. Some one ton trucks have payloads north of 3ton=6000lbs. Yes it is a light duty truck and I'm not arguing that point. I was just trying to point out to many that our trucks seem to be much more conservatively rated than others.

Gt I agree that it has a lot to do with the coils. There is no way I could put 1800 lbs in the bed, but I do think I can have 1800lbs with people and gear at times. Now I have the airbags and it doesn't matter bc its always nice and level.
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