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Old 07-19-2009, 10:45 AM
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Thanks so very much for the detailed info BlueJet!

I've never used the clay bar myself; the detailer always did the rust spot removal on my Dakota.

Sounds like it is a time consuming procedure. This is a big truck, so it must be an all day project.
Any excellent recommendations on which brand? Meguiare's (sp)?

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Meguiar's is awesome for sure! I love their Detail Mist and Wipe in between waxes to keep it shiny and smooth...
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i found this on another forum ..its called rail dust
so fallow these procedures of repairs ..
like Blue said ,use a clay bar , good fore knowledge blue,thank you,

Several people have asked about rust spots in the paint of a relatively new vehicles. Heres the most likely cause of the problem and the solution to the said problem.


Symptoms: Visible grains of iron or rusting spots in the paint surface.
Models Affected: 1994-2007 GM Passenger Cars and Trucks.
Commonly looks like (click to enlarge):



Where does it come from?
Rail dust comes from tiny iron particles produced from the friction between train wheels and the tracks and gets deposited on the vehicle surfaces. Iron dust can get deposited on the surface if the vehicle is stored near any operation producing iron dust such as a steel ore yard. Either material can lay on top of, or over time, become embedded in the paint surface.

Illustration of surface rail dust and embedded rail dust:




Because the severity of the condition varies, proper diagnosis of the damage is critical to the success of repairs. Diagnosis should be performed on horizontal surfaces (hood, roof, deck lid, pick up box, etc.) after the vehicle has been properly cleaned. There are two types of repair materials recommended to repair rail dust or iron dust:

Gel Type Oxalic acid (Fallout Remover): - Has the characteristics of the liquid type oxalic acid but stays where you put it because of its gel consistency.
Clay Bar: - Requires surface lubricant during use.


Caution:
Rail dust remover (Oxalic Acid) is an acidic substance containing chemicals that will break down the iron particles embedded in the finish. When working with rail dust remover, use the necessary safety equipment, including gloves and goggles. Follow the chemical manufacturer's directions closely because it may require special handling and disposal.


If, upon inspection, some particles are still present, the various chemical manufacturer's processes can be repeated.
After the removal process, small pits may remain in the clearcoat and can be corrected, in most cases, with a finesse/polish/buffing operation.



Procedure
Move the vehicle to a cool shaded area and make sure that the vehicle surfaces are cool during the removal process. DO NOT PERFORM THE REMOVAL PROCESS IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT OR ON A VEHICLE WITH HOT OR WARM BODY PANELS. Wash the vehicle with soap and water. Dry it immediately and clean the affected areas with a wax and grease remover.
Perform the removal process according to the chemical manufacturer's directions.
Once the damage has been repaired, the final step involves a polishing process.


Where do I find Rail dust remover or Clay bar?
Napa and Sherwin Williams carries Rail dust remover.
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My last Ram was white and it had the same spots when I purchased it and at first I had trouble keeping them off. Once I got into deatiling I realized that it was rail dust or the brake pads causing the rust spots. Once I clay bared the truck and waxed it regularly I never saw them again.

I got into the habit of using Eagle One wax as you dry at each wash to help keep some form of protectant on the paint. It's not effective like a real polish or wax but it's better than nothing and it did help to keep the rust spots from appearing.

If you were closer I would offer to help you but I'm in Texas.
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Mothers also makes a good clay bar kit with 2 bars and showroom shine for the lube. it is an involved job, but worth it. usually takes me 2-3hrs depending on how bad the build up of tar is. I apparently live in construction/paving country. I have a tendancy to do a full wax strip/prep/wax when I use the clay bar, but you don't have to go that far too often.
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I have this same issue with my WHITE 08 Ram. I called the dealer today and have a appointment for them to look at it on Wed. of this week. I told them about the Fall out and Rail Dust that I have read about here. I hope that they will not have to paint the truck again, but I want the little orange/brown spots to go away NOW......
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I have this same issue with my WHITE 08 Ram. I called the dealer today and have a appointment for them to look at it on Wed. of this week. I told them about the Fall out and Rail Dust that I have read about here. I hope that they will not have to paint the truck again, but I want the little orange/brown spots to go away NOW......
Have you tried using a clay bar? I always had to clay mine to keep the spots off. White is a tough color to keep up!
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Have you tried using a clay bar? I always had to clay mine to keep the spots off. White is a tough color to keep up!
Nope..... I have hand washed the truck 2 times since New and had the dealer do the others because of the initial deal on the truck. I did not notice the spots until the last time I washed it. Then I get on here and read this thread and .....Now I know what the reason for the spots are and will have them fix it. Good thing I did not just go and wash/wax the thing and cover up the iron particles. Hopefully the dealer will have to put all the elbow grease into getting it right. As soon as I get her back she will be coated with 2 coats of Zimol Wax and a Car cover placed over her while sitting in the carport.
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