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Old 04-30-2013, 04:31 PM
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I may have misread but I thought the discussion was about half ton trucks (1500's). I'd completely agree if I bought a one ton truck and it couldn't handle 2,000 lb payload I'd be pissed.

In reality, most of our half ton trucks can handle 3/4 ton, which is pretty impressive IMO. And not just handle it, but do so in a good way, not at it's limit. I understand you can't put 1,500 lb in the bed and drive it like you stole it and expect it to handle great, etc. but it gets the job done fine if you drive with some common sense. If you do large loads like this often yeah better off getting the bigger truck.

I have put 1,200+lb in the bed of my truck several times with my cut lower springs(RT springs which IIRC have a capacitiy around 1,200 lbs and I cut 1.5 coils off) and the truck was fine with that weight. It was nearly on the bump stops, but driving with some sense it was fine. I took corners easy and bumps easy and barely could tell there was a load in the bed.

I'd be comfortable putting my max payload on the stock springs and driving in the same manner. When I had the stock springs in and had ~1,000lb in the bed I could pretty much pretend it wasn't even in there, still had plenty of suspension travel left and it handled ok.
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Good post. I think the 20 inch rims hurt the payload.
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Have you stopped to think that maybe they did this on purpose to make sure they pay out less in warranty claims ??

I mean if the average person reads the owners manual and goes by the ratings in there, they'll never break the truck from using it hard, so Dodge has less chance of having to fix it under warranty.

A spring is a spring, if it is rate for the weight, it will hold it, coil or leaf, either one.

Why have a 3750 lb rated front axle and a 3800 lb rated rear axle, and only have the payload listed at 1100 lbs ?

3750+3800=7550
truck weight=5500, leaving 2050 for payload, but they list it as 1100......where'd the other 900 lbs go ??


Build it to hold 2000 lbs, and tell everyone it can only hold 1000 lbs, and you shouldn't have to pay to fix it.




BTW, many times the tire ratings and/or rim rating are the actual limiting factor, not the axles. On my 97 3500 CTD 4x4 dually, the rims were the limiting factor @ 2650 each. The tires would hold 3200 each.
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BTW, many times the tire ratings and/or rim rating are the actual limiting factor, not the axles. On my 97 3500 CTD 4x4 dually, the rims were the limiting factor @ 2650 each. The tires would hold 3200 each.
The E Rated tires on my 2500 are it's limiting factors. The back axle has a GVWR of 6,000 lbs, I think both tires are roughly 3,050ish?
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This is something I've been throwing around in my head. I have a 2012 CC that has a 1350 lb payload. I want to buy a toy hauler that has a 1050 tongue weight. You add in 500 lbs with the 4 passengers and I'm 200 over. The truck has a 10,000 tow rating. Trailer is 7000 dry so when loaded it will be close at 9000-9500. Really wish I had gone 2500 but wondering if I should just buy the trailer and maybe upgrade the truck later or buy the right truck first?
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I find all this odd or I am misunderstanding something. The ram web site says my 13 Ram Tradesman QC 4x2 3:55 gears 4.7L V8 has a max payload of 1658 with a 150 lbs driver so with me in the truck I should have a 1500 lbs payload and I should be able to tow a 6500lbs trailer. Where did all these low numbers come from?
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Every model of truck will have different ratings depending on accessories and options. I'm guessing the 20's take up at least 150 lbs of payload.
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There's tons of things they look at to determine payload- but that's obvious. Having just freshly come from the Blue Oval camp, I can say one thing without a doubt- the F series are just a heavier built truck- I am not saying better- just heavier. For one example- take a look at the upper and lower control arms- you will see that difference right away. 5 bolt rims vs. 6, axle tubes, leaf vs coil, CVs, frame, everything. That comes at a cost though. The 5.4L in there didn't have enough jam to get out of its own way, and it rode like a bale wagon and handled like a battleship. Tank tough though.

One other thing that I speculate goes into payload ratings- driver experience and perception. Will the average, get-in-start-and-go driver have the facilities to handle the truck when there is an extra heavy load wallowing around back there? Likely not. So they set a breaking point with payload that- IMHO- is the line where the handling of the truck changes enough that the day-to-day driver may not be equipped to compensate for. This is a CYA (cover your ass) move, and it's a smart one.

It's a funny, paper-tiger number to me, but common sense should prevail. For example- my family of 5 weighs in at 846lbs. So, by that number, with all of us in the truck, and a load of food and Christmas presents in the back and all of the drinks and gameboys etc with a tank of fuel, I will likely be within a couple hundred pounds of my door sticker (or close) when we head for the farm for Christmas this year. Following that logic- for the next couple years while my oldest two are still at home, we will bounce over that door sticker by an easy 300-350lbs when my TT is hitched up wet. Yet, I will not be over my GAWR front or rear, GCWR, and I will only be at 61% of my rated tow capacity. I am not saying that I would just starting chucking crap in the truck until it was full and overloaded by 1000lbs! That's insane. Nobody can control that kind of weight long term, and long term it will damage something! This is why I commonly shake my head when I see *any* half ton pulling a 5'er. The pin weight alone will turn your bearings into doughnuts over enough time given that it's all sitting right over the axle.

It's for this very reason I could not justify having a fuel swilling 2500 in my driveway that will only really "work" 6 days a year; just to meet a sticker. With a family of 5, policing that weight is next to impossible. My teenage daughter could destroy that number with just shoes if I let her.

My comments here are not condoning overloading a vehicle and my personal opinion may and likely does run afoul of regulations in many states and a few provinces, but here in Sask for example, we are allowed to weigh 2x GVWR when hooked with this class of vehicle. I guess what I am getting at is, the engineering team certainly didn't design a truck to grenade at 6801lbs GVWR. For example- you have 1100lbs of payload. Your tongue weight is 900lbs. You have your 50lbs dog in with you, and 100lbs of wood in the bed. You encounter a family of four stranded in the middle of nowhere. Do you tell them you can't give them a ride because you only have 50lbs of payload left? Not likely.

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smurfs....best comment I've come across regarding low 1500 payload rating. I've yet to find a real explanation of how GVW is calculated (or axle rating for that matter). While there seems to be evidence Ford is almost flagrant playing the specification game, who really knows? I'm in the same situation - the 1500 I have on order is almost at full GVW with just my family and some gear and will be over with the boat in tow. That said, I can't justify a 2500. And I do know for sure the 1500 will handle 1000 payload better than a minivan which may be rated to carry more.

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theres a really good video on youtube i actually come across recently talking about this...somehow every year the other manufacturers payload/towing is going up without making any actual changes to the truck. It came out to be that there is no standard they have to meet to put these numbers up so every year they can change them without having to meet a standard. Chrysler right now is the only one that does have a standard they meet and toyota was the only other one to jump on board and say yes with Chrysler on having a standard to meet to put up these numbers. Im sure its not to far out though that all of them will have a standard to meet to put out these numbers so they cant just increase it every year to beat the competition without making any changes to the actual truck.
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